Gospel Of John [2003] DVDRip DivX Swesub
- Type:
- Video > Movies
- Files:
- 1
- Size:
- 1.7 GB
- Info:
- IMDB
- Spoken language(s):
- English
- Texted language(s):
- Swedish
- Tag(s):
- Jesus Christ Christian Bible Biblical Salvation Biography
- Quality:
- +0 / -1 (-1)
- Uploaded:
- Jul 4, 2009
- By:
- verifire
Hi there.. Then it finally happened. TPB's trackers are down. But I've been anticipating something like this for a while. So for those who'll want to download torrents I've made and will make in the future, I'm moving nearly all of them to another torrent-site, maybe two. I guess it'll be at least: http://www.torrentbox.com Just browse for the torrents on that site, and all uploads will come up, just give me some days.. :-) And you can still start your download from this site!! Just add these trackers to the torrent, and we'll find each other again. http://tracker.publicbt.com:80/announce http://tracker.torrentbox.com:2710/announce Now don't click on the "links" above, that won't work. Copy and paste them to add them to your trackers in the torrent-file. And be sure to enable DHT. It tracks too.. Anyway, they should also all be available by search on my alias, verifire, on for instance: http://www.isoHunt.com - because they search the contents and comments on the upload for tags as well as the title of the torrent.. Just give me some time.. See you later, when things are settled and (maybe) there's a working tracker on the site again, and I'll miss it terribly, but I hope for, and guess this isn't the last word on the matter. I'll upload stuff here anyway, as well as on the other sites... TPB WILL ALWAYS RULE!! THANK YOU, GUYS. YOU'VE BEEN A PLEASURE TO BE SHIPWRECKED WITH. IT'S AN HONOUR... Verifire. ____________________________________________________________________________ I'm at the moment being constantly monitored and hindered in sharing Christian material. For instance uTorrent shows that there's three(!) seeders on every torrent I upload when they've been published for a few minutes, and I have shared maybe 1% of the file. How's that possible? A month ago it showed "only" two.. The people who hate what I do block my listening port and slows down my bandwidth to an extreme low, and I'm being bombarded in comments on uploads and mails. The only thing I can do, is to appeal to you who are Christians, to help me seed these torrents, because I don't know how much longer I'm able to do this. Not for long, I fear. And I live in Norway, a so called "free Nation" of the western world.. And then I'm accused of being a "conspiracy-theorist".. :-) Let me state a fact: THIS IS NOT COPYRIGHTED MATERIAL! JESUS PROHIBITED THAT! Let's stand accountable to Him, and not men, when it comes down to sharing the Gospel, right? Let's be men and women of God, and not mice.. I have ripped DivX movies from the original DVD, with hard subs, and upload them in Norwegian, Danish and Swedish, (but not Finnish. It wasn't on the DVD. Sorry..) differentiated just by the words ,"Norsub", "Dansub" and "Swesub" in the titles. Furthermore, they are all at about 1,69 Gb each, and I've decided to leave them like that, because most people in Scandinavia have DVD-burners and DivX players, or, like the young'uns do; watch movies on portable media. That's good.. :-) Also the movie is over three hours long, so quality would be poor if I resized it and cut it up into 700 Mb chunks. I tried that.. :-) But if you want the movie as PAL-DVD with all three languages available from menu , it's located at: http://thepiratebay.ee/torrent/4984831/ And also YOU can do your bit by helping me seed this movie further to others, and I don't mean for a day or two.. Leave it there for a month or more, and then it'll be alive by itself. Because by then enough true, Bible-believing born-again Christians who see the value in spreading the Gospel will be aware of the upload and dedicate some broadband and some disk-space for this important task PERMANENTLY.. If you don't think it's that important, you'd better look at yourself and wonder.. Now remember: John was there. He saw it. And that's what happens in this epic movie. In my opinion the best movie I've ever seen about Jesus of Nazareth, The Son of Man and God's Only Begotten Son, and the Saviour of this world. All you have to do is call upon Him, and He'll come to you.. "John 20:30 And truly Jesus did many other signs in the presence of His disciples, which are not written in this book; John 20:31 but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name." Many will, maybe, miss events described by other Evangelists, like for instance Peter walking on the water with Jesus. I guess John didn't think that was so important compared to the other things he had seen and heard from or with Jesus. Or how the robber on one of the crosses begs Jesus to remember him when He came into His Kingdom. Only Luke mentions the repenting robber, but that doesn't mean that it didn't happen. The Gospel of Matthew doesn't mention that either, and He was a disciple of Jesus too, but he also, like John, says they both cursed and shouted blasphemies at Jesus, like John does. Just add Luke's detail from his Gospel to the other, and the whole picture and full truth become clear. Luke had interviewed a lot of eyewitnesses and people "carefully investigating it all", to paraphrase him, and he had obviously heard testimony from someone who was there, that one of those beside Jesus had a change of heart as the process of crucifixion went on, and that's a fantastic story. Imagine the transformation inside this poor man's soul and heart.. There may be things like that that can make you wonder, but please do remember that John ends his Gospel with the words: "And there are also many other things that Jesus did, which if they were written one by one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that would be written. Amen." The Word of God says that the summary of His Word is the truth, and the Holy Spirit is ready to guide us on our way to the whole truth.. Jesus said that. In the Gospel of John.. :-) May God grant this movie the presence of His Holy Spirit to everyone watching it, so as to present His Son to the hearts of anyone who long for true love, loyalty and understanding and another Kingdom to live in than the one "they" have made for us at present.. That was why the people behind this production collected money from Christians to make and distribute this movie: That the Good News should be spread around everywhere.. Enjoy it, but don't forget your duty, His bidding; to hand it on further.. :-) Humble, but happy greetings from verifiremail@gmail.com
John was actually a jewish rebel by the name of John from Giscala. He was sentenced to life in prison and sent to the roman prison island of Patmos after the war ended in the year 70 our time. He was later, in christian mythology converted into an apostle of Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ is a rather invention of christian folk lore, from mid to late second century. He is a combination of the samaritan prophet, the archangel Michael, Jesus from Galilee, leader för army of six hundred men and Jesus bar Ananias, who had his passion story in the reign of the roman procurator Albinus in the 60´s, first century.
Jesus Christ is a rather invention of christian folk lore, from mid to late second century. He is a combination of the samaritan prophet, the archangel Michael, Jesus from Galilee, leader för army of six hundred men and Jesus bar Ananias, who had his passion story in the reign of the roman procurator Albinus in the 60´s, first century.
Correction: "Jesus Christ is a rather late invention of christian folk lore..."
verifire at 2009-07-04 16:50 CET:
@Helmer2":
http://thepiratebay.ee/torrent/4972486/
I doubt you'll ever see this, and perhaps even less that you have it in you to follow the link and watch the contents equally open minded to what ever you've been watching to make such remarkable claims, but anyway..
Your comment indicate that you have been listening to, and watching, a lot of "alternative thinkers", and "historians", and retrieved such an amount of quasi-philosophy and -history to make such arguments, that I'm afraid all I can do is quote two passages of the New Testament, and pray for you to the One I know to be very much alive and real, Jesus of Nazareth, that He'll open your eyes for real.. I feel so sorry.. You see; I've actually met Him.. He is alive..
"But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, so that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine on them."
"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
19) For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent."
20) Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
21) For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe."
2. Corinthians, Ch. 4, verses 3+4, and
1.Corinthians, Ch. 1, verses 18-21, New KJV.
http://thepiratebay.ee/torrent/4972486/
I doubt you'll ever see this, and perhaps even less that you have it in you to follow the link and watch the contents equally open minded to what ever you've been watching to make such remarkable claims, but anyway..
Your comment indicate that you have been listening to, and watching, a lot of "alternative thinkers", and "historians", and retrieved such an amount of quasi-philosophy and -history to make such arguments, that I'm afraid all I can do is quote two passages of the New Testament, and pray for you to the One I know to be very much alive and real, Jesus of Nazareth, that He'll open your eyes for real.. I feel so sorry.. You see; I've actually met Him.. He is alive..
"But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, so that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine on them."
"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
19) For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent."
20) Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
21) For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe."
2. Corinthians, Ch. 4, verses 3+4, and
1.Corinthians, Ch. 1, verses 18-21, New KJV.
O Helmer, you are such a wise and erudite man, I hope you don't mind if I erect an altar and worship you. Maybe we can say that I am the follower of the most true and excellent Helmerianity sect.
verifire at 2009-07-04 21:05 CET:
@"hiuutyio": You crack me up... LOL.
I'm sorry, I'm only human.
"Erudite"... :-) I had to look it up in a dictionary. Man, you just made my day and work worthwhile. Somehow.. I guess a "Thank you very much" is obligatory.. Oh, man... :-)
I'm sorry, I'm only human.
"Erudite"... :-) I had to look it up in a dictionary. Man, you just made my day and work worthwhile. Somehow.. I guess a "Thank you very much" is obligatory.. Oh, man... :-)
jesus never existed, period
verifire at 2009-07-12 19:53 CET:
@"tpbsuxx"
1. If you never read any replies to any of your spamming, then stop it.
2. If TPB Suxx, why are you in here?
3. How is it possible to be that ignorant to proved scientific facts like the fact that Jesus of Nazareth is described by ancient scribes, non-believers and believers alike, again and again. Even Talmud (which in case you didn't know, is one ancient and Jewish book, and part of their religion) describes Him as a "sorcerer", cause He did miraculous things. Even Roman historians give account of Him.
http://thepiratebay.ee/torrent/4013128/
Watch this movie, anyone who suffer under the dilution that "He never existed", because that's ridiculous!
4. On the issue of man-made religions, I agree quite a lot. But there's a difference between being a born.again Christian and being Religious.
Even you feel the difference between let's say militant Muslims and communists (yes, that's a religion too.. .-), between Buddhists and capitalists. But can you feel the difference between all of these designer-drug religions and true Christianity and the life of God through Jesus Christ? No. Only if you meet a true Christian.. And obviously you haven't..
Here's a movie for you to watch, if you dare being challenged by anything. But presumably you haven't got any commitment to anything except for search and destroy any torrent with the name or tag "Jesus" in it. I pity you..
http://thepiratebay.ee/torrent/3494208/Gospel_of_John_DivX
If you've got even a spark of an inch of the guts that were in this Man you say "didn't exist", you'd download and WATCH these movies. But I must say that personally I doubt that. Well. Your choice. Now.
If you choose to remain just a coward spammer, so be it. But if I get a comment from you telling me you've downed and watched these movies, you'll at least have earned some respect. And you could use some of that right now..
1. If you never read any replies to any of your spamming, then stop it.
2. If TPB Suxx, why are you in here?
3. How is it possible to be that ignorant to proved scientific facts like the fact that Jesus of Nazareth is described by ancient scribes, non-believers and believers alike, again and again. Even Talmud (which in case you didn't know, is one ancient and Jewish book, and part of their religion) describes Him as a "sorcerer", cause He did miraculous things. Even Roman historians give account of Him.
http://thepiratebay.ee/torrent/4013128/
Watch this movie, anyone who suffer under the dilution that "He never existed", because that's ridiculous!
4. On the issue of man-made religions, I agree quite a lot. But there's a difference between being a born.again Christian and being Religious.
Even you feel the difference between let's say militant Muslims and communists (yes, that's a religion too.. .-), between Buddhists and capitalists. But can you feel the difference between all of these designer-drug religions and true Christianity and the life of God through Jesus Christ? No. Only if you meet a true Christian.. And obviously you haven't..
Here's a movie for you to watch, if you dare being challenged by anything. But presumably you haven't got any commitment to anything except for search and destroy any torrent with the name or tag "Jesus" in it. I pity you..
http://thepiratebay.ee/torrent/3494208/Gospel_of_John_DivX
If you've got even a spark of an inch of the guts that were in this Man you say "didn't exist", you'd download and WATCH these movies. But I must say that personally I doubt that. Well. Your choice. Now.
If you choose to remain just a coward spammer, so be it. But if I get a comment from you telling me you've downed and watched these movies, you'll at least have earned some respect. And you could use some of that right now..
verifire at 2009-07-16 00:54 CET:
@"hellisreal". Well, it most certainly will be very real to those who can not bear the prescence of God and The Lamb, Jesus Christ. That far you're right.
But I checked out the torrents you refer to in your comment, and I don't want to be associated with such things. Let's keep this to the point, shall we? Jesus loves us so much that He took the punishment for our sins upon Himself, and if a person accepts Him as being the Son of God and commit their lives to Him, and become disciples, they have promises of eternal life going for them.
Just watch this movie, won't you? :-)
But I checked out the torrents you refer to in your comment, and I don't want to be associated with such things. Let's keep this to the point, shall we? Jesus loves us so much that He took the punishment for our sins upon Himself, and if a person accepts Him as being the Son of God and commit their lives to Him, and become disciples, they have promises of eternal life going for them.
Just watch this movie, won't you? :-)
verifire at 2009-08-03 19:19 CET:
Hi "bodthedog". You ask if there's any historical evidence or proof of Jesus ever existing. I'll gladly tell you that I think you've been mis- or rather under-informed. But that doesn't mean that you're dumb, fortunately. You strike me as rather the opposite There's lots of evidence.
One movie to watch on the topic is this one:
http://thepiratebay.ee/torrent/4013128/
Furthermore, you can search the Internet for a letter that supposedly was the letter Pontius Pilate wrote to the Emperor of Rome at the time, to give account for what had happened. Some people do believe it's a forgery, but there's even a word in there that no one know the original meaning of, even if someone ahs described it once as being "a stone, which gives birth to little stones, and are good for wommen that carries child" or something.. (:-?), so this must be old in any case, is my immediate conclusion.
The word is, if I remember correctly; gemonide. You can search for it by just that word, but don't settle for any excerpts; find the whole letter.
I've translated the letter, and became more and more convinced that this was for real.
But following the link to the movie above, are at least a source to some of the evidence that He in fact very much existed.
In the end, though, it will ultimately lead you to a conclusion, and to make a choice. I'm glad you're trying to get to the bottom of this, the most important question in the history of the whole universe.. Big words, I know, but it's true..
I love you for being a man curious and polite enough that writing a reply to your post was actually pleasant. Cool, man.. Thanks! :-)
One movie to watch on the topic is this one:
http://thepiratebay.ee/torrent/4013128/
Furthermore, you can search the Internet for a letter that supposedly was the letter Pontius Pilate wrote to the Emperor of Rome at the time, to give account for what had happened. Some people do believe it's a forgery, but there's even a word in there that no one know the original meaning of, even if someone ahs described it once as being "a stone, which gives birth to little stones, and are good for wommen that carries child" or something.. (:-?), so this must be old in any case, is my immediate conclusion.
The word is, if I remember correctly; gemonide. You can search for it by just that word, but don't settle for any excerpts; find the whole letter.
I've translated the letter, and became more and more convinced that this was for real.
But following the link to the movie above, are at least a source to some of the evidence that He in fact very much existed.
In the end, though, it will ultimately lead you to a conclusion, and to make a choice. I'm glad you're trying to get to the bottom of this, the most important question in the history of the whole universe.. Big words, I know, but it's true..
I love you for being a man curious and polite enough that writing a reply to your post was actually pleasant. Cool, man.. Thanks! :-)
verifire at 2009-08-03 20:18 CET:
Hi, "bodthedog". I need to add a little to what I just wrote, because the letter I refer to, was translated by me years ago, and there was only two or three websites or something that referred to it. Now there are plenty, and some of them don't even resemble the version I translated. They've been altered. Portraying Jesus as "a young man with light hair and beard, a total contrast to the musky-looking people listening.." or something. And in whole the letter is in a "everyday'ish" tone, but not the one I translated.
That one was very much in reverence and quite official in its style, really much like a governor would address his Emperor, with total respect shining from every well chosen word.
I remember from translating that passage about how Jesus appeared to Pilate quite clearly. It went something like: "His face and hair had a reddish-brown color, such as the case is with so many of the people of Palestine..". Now that's different.
Historians have concluded that so many of the tribes and people of the original Israel has been scattered all over the world, like for instance that the portion of those who once lived in schytia, wandered up through Europe, and over to Britain, and ended up in scot- or schytt -land, and in Eire(land).
Did you know that the word "brit" in Hebrew means "covenant"? and the ending "-ish" means people? So Brit-ish means people of the covenant in Hebrew.. There are so many things like that..
And did you know that the natives in some tribes of the Amazon refer to the big river as "the river of Solomon"?
Or that they've discovered Hebrew writings, thousands of years old, all over the world, yes even in the Americas?
I can tell you man, there are lots of things they don't want us to know, because it interferes with what they've been lying about in the past..
Well. Sorry for me rambling along, but I thought you needed the first bit of info, and would find the rest interesting, maybe..?
Cheers. V.
That one was very much in reverence and quite official in its style, really much like a governor would address his Emperor, with total respect shining from every well chosen word.
I remember from translating that passage about how Jesus appeared to Pilate quite clearly. It went something like: "His face and hair had a reddish-brown color, such as the case is with so many of the people of Palestine..". Now that's different.
Historians have concluded that so many of the tribes and people of the original Israel has been scattered all over the world, like for instance that the portion of those who once lived in schytia, wandered up through Europe, and over to Britain, and ended up in scot- or schytt -land, and in Eire(land).
Did you know that the word "brit" in Hebrew means "covenant"? and the ending "-ish" means people? So Brit-ish means people of the covenant in Hebrew.. There are so many things like that..
And did you know that the natives in some tribes of the Amazon refer to the big river as "the river of Solomon"?
Or that they've discovered Hebrew writings, thousands of years old, all over the world, yes even in the Americas?
I can tell you man, there are lots of things they don't want us to know, because it interferes with what they've been lying about in the past..
Well. Sorry for me rambling along, but I thought you needed the first bit of info, and would find the rest interesting, maybe..?
Cheers. V.
verifire at 2009-08-03 23:43 CET:
What I'm really trying to get at is: Forget about that letter, it's not proof of anything.
But the movie, on the other hand, is actually as close to proof you'll ever come, unless you meet Jesus yourself. I would prefer it to be rather sooner than later of course...and so would probably you..you know..?
But the movie, on the other hand, is actually as close to proof you'll ever come, unless you meet Jesus yourself. I would prefer it to be rather sooner than later of course...and so would probably you..you know..?
verifire at 2009-08-11 23:01 CET:
Dearest "bodthedog": What can I say? You obviously think that you've got all the answers THE WAY YOU'RE SHOUTING FROM MY ROOFTOP, but you haven't. You do however make some (rather not so important in the bigger picture) points, and there are (some) historical facts embedded in your version of history, but you've got a major gap in your knowledge.
"Lead! Don't follow!"? Does the one exclude the other?
And; you see; Jesus has actually met thousands of people, after he was pronounced dead by everyone from the Jewish Sanhedrin through Nietzsche and a whole bunch more, and last to my attention; you.
Not only has He shown Himself, but He has, and continues to, change people from the inside out, to be like Him. That is the ultimate goal and what He paid the ultimate price for.
What people make of it and how they've dragged His Name through the mud and worse, does not apply to Jesus Himself, only to deceivers and frauds. Like the one "Christian" Emperor you named above, who made "Christianity" "State Religion" and appointed "Bishops" and persecuted those who actually had Saturday, or the Lord's day (in ancient Norwegian: Laurdsdag. See? Lord's Day?) as their resting and Holi-day, and made Sun-day the new "Holyday". And so on and so on...
I didn't like what I saw through history and all around me any more than you do, but when I was told about Him, I simply found what He said in the Bible to be so true and incredibly courageous and without compromise , and the way He led His life and ended it, and so on.. ..well, irresistible.
So I asked Him: "OK. I guess this is you, Jesus. Now what would you want me to do?" And you know what? HE ANSWERED ME!
HE SAID TO ME AS LOUD AS ANYTHING IMAGINABLE AND QUITE DISTINCTIVELY CLEAR AND UNDERSTANDABLE: "I AM THE ONE WITH ALL POWER IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH, AND YOU ARE TO GO AND TELL EVERYBODY ABOUT ME!" Hows that for shouting from rooftops? And I was sober and calm at the time, and still am as I write this. If that make me a lunatic in your eyes, that's too bad.
Anyway; my story is true, and I could add a few more, but they're better told face to face..
And I simply have to add to this a passage by Paul the apostle:
1Co 1:17 "For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of no effect.
1Co 1:18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
1Co 1:19 For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent."
1Co 1:20 Where [is] the wise? Where [is] the scribe? Where [is] the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
1Co 1:21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.
1Co 1:22 For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom;
1Co 1:23 but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness,
1Co 1:24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.
1Co 1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
1Co 1:26 For you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, [are called.]
1Co 1:27 But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty;
1Co 1:28 and the base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are,
1Co 1:29 that no flesh should glory in His presence.
1Co 1:30 But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God -- and righteousness and sanctification and redemption
1Co 1:31 that, as it is written, "He who glories, let him glory in the LO
"Lead! Don't follow!"? Does the one exclude the other?
And; you see; Jesus has actually met thousands of people, after he was pronounced dead by everyone from the Jewish Sanhedrin through Nietzsche and a whole bunch more, and last to my attention; you.
Not only has He shown Himself, but He has, and continues to, change people from the inside out, to be like Him. That is the ultimate goal and what He paid the ultimate price for.
What people make of it and how they've dragged His Name through the mud and worse, does not apply to Jesus Himself, only to deceivers and frauds. Like the one "Christian" Emperor you named above, who made "Christianity" "State Religion" and appointed "Bishops" and persecuted those who actually had Saturday, or the Lord's day (in ancient Norwegian: Laurdsdag. See? Lord's Day?) as their resting and Holi-day, and made Sun-day the new "Holyday". And so on and so on...
I didn't like what I saw through history and all around me any more than you do, but when I was told about Him, I simply found what He said in the Bible to be so true and incredibly courageous and without compromise , and the way He led His life and ended it, and so on.. ..well, irresistible.
So I asked Him: "OK. I guess this is you, Jesus. Now what would you want me to do?" And you know what? HE ANSWERED ME!
HE SAID TO ME AS LOUD AS ANYTHING IMAGINABLE AND QUITE DISTINCTIVELY CLEAR AND UNDERSTANDABLE: "I AM THE ONE WITH ALL POWER IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH, AND YOU ARE TO GO AND TELL EVERYBODY ABOUT ME!" Hows that for shouting from rooftops? And I was sober and calm at the time, and still am as I write this. If that make me a lunatic in your eyes, that's too bad.
Anyway; my story is true, and I could add a few more, but they're better told face to face..
And I simply have to add to this a passage by Paul the apostle:
1Co 1:17 "For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of no effect.
1Co 1:18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
1Co 1:19 For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent."
1Co 1:20 Where [is] the wise? Where [is] the scribe? Where [is] the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
1Co 1:21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.
1Co 1:22 For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom;
1Co 1:23 but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness,
1Co 1:24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.
1Co 1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
1Co 1:26 For you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, [are called.]
1Co 1:27 But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty;
1Co 1:28 and the base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are,
1Co 1:29 that no flesh should glory in His presence.
1Co 1:30 But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God -- and righteousness and sanctification and redemption
1Co 1:31 that, as it is written, "He who glories, let him glory in the LO
verifire at 2009-08-12 21:31 CET:
I do I do I do.. Check and check again.. And.. what... ..I find is always the same.. I'm aware of the fact that Lee Strobel now is the leader of a big ministry, but I don't know much about him.. .. I leave that verdict to be revealed fully when it's time has come. Because everything will be disclosed if it's been concealed..
The "fact" you repeat over and over, that "Constantine wrote the Bible" is totally insane! You know, there are hundreds upon hundreds of letters and writings that support the FACT that Paul, Peter and the writers of the New Testament actually ARE the authors of it. I could refer to many of the writings of early Christians, but I won't. You see; I think this is a waste of time. I think we are at present engaged in a dispute that will yield no good to anybody, including you and me.
So I will only say; This is a matter of either seeing and meeting God and His Son Jesus Christ, and having the company of the Holy Spirit, or not.
This far, you've chosen sides, and so have I.
We'll get no further, I'm afraid, and that makes me so sad you wouldn't believe it..
And when you say that you are leading nobody nowhere, you are hopefully right.
May my Lord bless you and open the eyes of your heart, so that you are able to see the amazing Son of Man as He really is..
I love you.. Amazing feeling.. and yet so painful..
The "fact" you repeat over and over, that "Constantine wrote the Bible" is totally insane! You know, there are hundreds upon hundreds of letters and writings that support the FACT that Paul, Peter and the writers of the New Testament actually ARE the authors of it. I could refer to many of the writings of early Christians, but I won't. You see; I think this is a waste of time. I think we are at present engaged in a dispute that will yield no good to anybody, including you and me.
So I will only say; This is a matter of either seeing and meeting God and His Son Jesus Christ, and having the company of the Holy Spirit, or not.
This far, you've chosen sides, and so have I.
We'll get no further, I'm afraid, and that makes me so sad you wouldn't believe it..
And when you say that you are leading nobody nowhere, you are hopefully right.
May my Lord bless you and open the eyes of your heart, so that you are able to see the amazing Son of Man as He really is..
I love you.. Amazing feeling.. and yet so painful..
verifire at 2009-08-12 21:55 CET:
Oh, I forgot.. and I'm simply writing this to clarify some of the above comments about Constantine being the author of the New Testament: Constantine did in fact order a copy to be made. They are known as the Byzantine and later (amongst other) Alexandrian texts.
They differ very much from the texts that were copied and handed down and are known as the texts of Antioch.
Constantine's version alters and removes lots of bits and pieces.
The King James Bible's New Testament are translated from the Antioch texts, and the Old Testament bit was translated from the Masoretic, Hebrew text.
I am now tired of rhetorics and exchanging time for discussions, time better spent on things with eternal value.. God bless you all.. :-)
They differ very much from the texts that were copied and handed down and are known as the texts of Antioch.
Constantine's version alters and removes lots of bits and pieces.
The King James Bible's New Testament are translated from the Antioch texts, and the Old Testament bit was translated from the Masoretic, Hebrew text.
I am now tired of rhetorics and exchanging time for discussions, time better spent on things with eternal value.. God bless you all.. :-)
verifire at 2009-08-14 18:03 CET:
There is nothing "still up in the air" about our "discussion". I don't want to be provoked to answer you by all of your "getting you nowhere" argumentation. Don't you understand? You are accusing me of providing unsupported facts and yet you yourself are doing just that in the above "comments". I tell you, right back: Check, check and check again. But please don't use this forum for your results. You're getting nowhere, so just stay the way you are, and by all means, hold on to your skepticism. Your choice. That's what I mean by choosing sides. There are no neutral ground on this issue.
Either you believe and turn that belief into action, or you don't, and your beliefs are your disbelief, and now you act upon it.
Please. I can't waste any more time on chronic argumentation with you. You just waste my time and wear everybody out. Well, I don't know about you, but my time has to be dedicated to trying to help those who actually want to know a little more of what I believe, so this is totally out of question an ended argumentation. Period.
Best of luck with you quest for Truth..
Either you believe and turn that belief into action, or you don't, and your beliefs are your disbelief, and now you act upon it.
Please. I can't waste any more time on chronic argumentation with you. You just waste my time and wear everybody out. Well, I don't know about you, but my time has to be dedicated to trying to help those who actually want to know a little more of what I believe, so this is totally out of question an ended argumentation. Period.
Best of luck with you quest for Truth..
verifire at 2009-08-14 21:59 CET:
I have to add this: I've checked you out, "bodthedog", and you've made NO UPLOADS EVER! Why are you coming up against me like you do? And why do you cut and paste parts of my replies, but leave out the explanations and reasons I give for my stand?
There's only one conclusion, and that is that you're just out to bug me and argue against something you DO NOT KNOW WHAT IS. You just think you do. I've told you over and over again that I have met this Man you say did not exist. My life proves He changes people. What would I have answered you if Jesus hadn't given me a new heart and mind and life, you think? Now I just say: Please, leave me alone, and go do your thing.
And may Jesus Christ have mercy and care for you. Emperor Constantine has nothing for you, that's for sure..
There's only one conclusion, and that is that you're just out to bug me and argue against something you DO NOT KNOW WHAT IS. You just think you do. I've told you over and over again that I have met this Man you say did not exist. My life proves He changes people. What would I have answered you if Jesus hadn't given me a new heart and mind and life, you think? Now I just say: Please, leave me alone, and go do your thing.
And may Jesus Christ have mercy and care for you. Emperor Constantine has nothing for you, that's for sure..
verifire at 2009-08-15 08:46 CET:
@"bodthedog": Yes, I think Jesus would have gone on to those who would hear.
Yes, my comments are there for all to see. In fact I encourage those who think me to be falsely accusing of taking bits out of my rather polite replies to you, to see if I do give reasons for what I write you.
And if you don't believe the New Testament to be the Word of God, maybe the Old Testament would survive your scrutiny. It talks and teaches about the Messiah also, and if you truly mean you're standing "on neutral ground" and awaiting proof, you must seek enlightenment there. Or elsewhere.
You see: I can only write about what I do know, neither I have all the answers, and when I do have one, I trust it to be given to me from Him whose Name (amongst others) is Truth.
And when you state that "people seeing things other can't see are dilutional", you reveal how totally narrow-minded you are. You must live a static and pitiful life. You're really sticking your neck out.. And for what purpose? You say it's to gain insight and proof, but you show no signs of really wanting anything but an argument.
What part of "please" is difficult for you to comprehend? Man, I pray for you (really), but let me be now..
Yes, my comments are there for all to see. In fact I encourage those who think me to be falsely accusing of taking bits out of my rather polite replies to you, to see if I do give reasons for what I write you.
And if you don't believe the New Testament to be the Word of God, maybe the Old Testament would survive your scrutiny. It talks and teaches about the Messiah also, and if you truly mean you're standing "on neutral ground" and awaiting proof, you must seek enlightenment there. Or elsewhere.
You see: I can only write about what I do know, neither I have all the answers, and when I do have one, I trust it to be given to me from Him whose Name (amongst others) is Truth.
And when you state that "people seeing things other can't see are dilutional", you reveal how totally narrow-minded you are. You must live a static and pitiful life. You're really sticking your neck out.. And for what purpose? You say it's to gain insight and proof, but you show no signs of really wanting anything but an argument.
What part of "please" is difficult for you to comprehend? Man, I pray for you (really), but let me be now..
verifire at 2009-08-15 15:26 CET:
bodthedog, bodthedog.. What shall one say to a hardheaded fact-seeker like you?
European court of law?
The answer is no.
But you'll soon enough have all the proof you need, but I'd worry if I was you.
Because when that proof manifests Himself before your eyes, you'll have no choice but to get on your face and beg Him for mercy and compassion. If you live to the day of His return, that is.. If you die before that day, all predictions for you are off limits to me..
Now, that's my belief, and I can give you no more than my belief, based on what I've experienced through my quest for truth and a purpose. To me it is proved a fact, but not to you, unfortunately..
My testimony you will not receive as proof anyway. And I'm afraid you as well as maybe would have stood around that cross to curse Jesus to death that passover of all passovers, we might not have believed Him even if He healed us from blindness. If you'd seen "The Gospel of John", you'd notice how Jesus constantly says to the people: "Unless you see miracles, you will not believe". And even though people saw the miracles, many did not accept Him as the promised Messiah, coming to renew their hearts if they would just believe Him.
A few did believe Him, though, and that is why we are having this incredibly hurtful "conversation" or what ever it is.
Christianity is built on belief.
I used to say: "If I don't see it, I will not believe it."
But then Jesus crossed my path through some believers of Him, and I learned the hard way that "unless I believe it, I won't be able to see it."
"By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible." Hebrews 11:3
Isn't that a strange passage? To understand by faith? I wish you could be the next person in this age of the world to experience what lies in just that verse alone. I have, and it blows my mind and joy is bubbling with joy right now because of that verse and it's context and relevance alone. But I'm saddened by your words, so I'll keep on praying for you unless Jesus tells me to stop.
Contact and salvation through faith. It's not my rules, neither is it up to you to make a standard in which God is to reveal Himself to you. It is His own decision. We are to bow for Him, not the other way. He has bowed one time and that is enough. He died for us then, after a lifetime of humiliation and pain to pay for our hard hearts and our bad behavior.
So I'm afraid a little Christian like me will never meet up to the standards you require for affirming Christianity. I'll leave you over to His will, and He might be merciful. I pray He will.
And I guess you'll write a boasting, victorious reply after this post, even though you've won no victory, you've only succeeded in staying stuck in the place you've been stuck for God knows how long, while I go on, with new hope and knowing that there's one less day to wait until I am received by His ever loving arms and will rest and rejoice for all eternity..
And still now, I've got this love for you tearing at my heart. The Bible says that it's the Holy Spirit at work in me.
That's the only proof I can give you..
European court of law?
The answer is no.
But you'll soon enough have all the proof you need, but I'd worry if I was you.
Because when that proof manifests Himself before your eyes, you'll have no choice but to get on your face and beg Him for mercy and compassion. If you live to the day of His return, that is.. If you die before that day, all predictions for you are off limits to me..
Now, that's my belief, and I can give you no more than my belief, based on what I've experienced through my quest for truth and a purpose. To me it is proved a fact, but not to you, unfortunately..
My testimony you will not receive as proof anyway. And I'm afraid you as well as maybe would have stood around that cross to curse Jesus to death that passover of all passovers, we might not have believed Him even if He healed us from blindness. If you'd seen "The Gospel of John", you'd notice how Jesus constantly says to the people: "Unless you see miracles, you will not believe". And even though people saw the miracles, many did not accept Him as the promised Messiah, coming to renew their hearts if they would just believe Him.
A few did believe Him, though, and that is why we are having this incredibly hurtful "conversation" or what ever it is.
Christianity is built on belief.
I used to say: "If I don't see it, I will not believe it."
But then Jesus crossed my path through some believers of Him, and I learned the hard way that "unless I believe it, I won't be able to see it."
"By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible." Hebrews 11:3
Isn't that a strange passage? To understand by faith? I wish you could be the next person in this age of the world to experience what lies in just that verse alone. I have, and it blows my mind and joy is bubbling with joy right now because of that verse and it's context and relevance alone. But I'm saddened by your words, so I'll keep on praying for you unless Jesus tells me to stop.
Contact and salvation through faith. It's not my rules, neither is it up to you to make a standard in which God is to reveal Himself to you. It is His own decision. We are to bow for Him, not the other way. He has bowed one time and that is enough. He died for us then, after a lifetime of humiliation and pain to pay for our hard hearts and our bad behavior.
So I'm afraid a little Christian like me will never meet up to the standards you require for affirming Christianity. I'll leave you over to His will, and He might be merciful. I pray He will.
And I guess you'll write a boasting, victorious reply after this post, even though you've won no victory, you've only succeeded in staying stuck in the place you've been stuck for God knows how long, while I go on, with new hope and knowing that there's one less day to wait until I am received by His ever loving arms and will rest and rejoice for all eternity..
And still now, I've got this love for you tearing at my heart. The Bible says that it's the Holy Spirit at work in me.
That's the only proof I can give you..
Shalom and peace in Yahushua HaMashiach to you Veifire, I will seed this for a a long time.
verifire at 2009-10-14 02:21 CET:
@dadutta: Shalom and see you next year in Jerusalem, in the Name of Yeshua Ha'Mashiah..
The On e and Only Saviour and Lord of the seed of Abraham.. :-)
The On e and Only Saviour and Lord of the seed of Abraham.. :-)
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